world economy. or that's something they can take that they can negotiate with. as americans, that didn't used to be something that was negotiable. >> no. in honesty people, you know, we debated that issue. whatever side we talked about the increase, the increase, the increase. in a bipartisan basis and whether it was clinton or bush or reagan administration, et cetera, then people voted to increase the debt limit because it's not about future spending. it is about spending that has occurred and that is like getting your credit card bill in the mail and you've made the purchases and then you say well, hell, i'm not going to pay the bill. >> stephanie: really would be like talking to mastercard and going we really need to cut spending. so i'm not paying this. >> i'm just not going to pay my bill. >> stephanie: you're the one that ran up the spending. >> congress ran up the bill. you can have a debate and conversation about those efforts. >> i think what's incredible, i've been look at the commentary a